I have a problem. I have been in three guilds over the last year with my main. All of these guilds, for one reason or another, stop serving my needs and I bail. I'm feeling that urge yet again for reasons I can't really understand.
The first guild I joined was an RP guild. I could level and do achievements and whatnot on my own. Sometimes the other members of the guild would run me through things to help me level. When I hit 85 on my main, three of my guildies were there with me.
All though my leveling, there were opportunities for RP. I would tag along and my toon would make suggestions that were always ignored by the higher ups. When there were important goings on, my toons were slighted and left outside to guard a magical door. They were never given duties when everyone else, even minor characters, were involved and given at least a minor duty. We were told if we had questions to ask, but we never saw any of the guild leaders or the RP leads online. On top of that, we didn't know what questions to even be asking. ICly, the characters knew as little as we did. OOCly, we couldn't find anyone to ask. Eventually we got frustrated and tried to play out our own storylines. Nobody played along. Ever. With anything. They were involved in their own RPs and while one of our friends tried to pull us in, Everyone else actively ignored us. So we stopped RPing. We stopped playing and trying to tag along.
We got promoted.
That's right, a promotion for doing NOTHING. Needless to say, we were a little confused. When we actively try and participate, we're ignored and snubbed. When we don't, we get a promotion?! Okay, so we see how this is going.
I stop playing all together. I stop showing up at the random RP nights, I stop participating in storylines, I stop doing everything because I'm sick to shit of everyone ignoring me and acting like my character doesn't exist. I was tired of trying to get people involved in our storyline. Only our one friend was ever involved in anything we did and everyone else started dropping out of the guild left and right. When we'd finally had enough ourselves and decided to go to a raiding guild, the acting guild lead threw a tantrum and told us he didn't CARE what happened to our toons, but he didn't want us to leave the guild.
We left anyway. If you don't give a shit about our storylines, we don't have to give a shit about your guild.
That was my first gquit and I had friends there. I'd gotten to know everyone and we'd joined the guild because two of our real life friends were members. I was terrified that everyone would hate me. I'd spent over a year with this guild leveling and trying to gain guild levels.
Quitting was actually easy once I realized that nobody cares what happened to my storylines. The only people who DID care are my two real life friends. They still RP with me and I even wrapped one of my characters in with theirs. I still play with them, I just don't know any intimate details of anything, not like I ever really did before.
On to the first raiding guild. The GF had quit the RP guild before I did because she was sick of pugging. She went to our new guild because they were running both Firelands and Dragon Soul. She wanted to raid and, since I'd gotten my toon geared enough to run LFR, I wanted to gear up and get in on actual raids. Yay!
Boo. No sooner had I joined than the guild stopped running raids all together. Some of the guild members quit, leaving holes in the team, but the rest of the guild wasn't even willing to TRY without them. They weren't willing to train a new tank, they weren't willing to carry light DPS and they didn't want to run LFR to get the gear to play with a new group. Most of the group was terrified to do anything on their own.
I quit as soon as we found a new guild with the promise of raids.
Enter the current guild. We join. They are active, there are always lots of people online and everyone is doing STUFF. There are old raids, new raids, heroics. There are PVP runs. People are running LFR. There are groups going in to pug random dungeons. I think, "Awesome! I can do stuff here!"
Nope. Nobody needs melee DPS. They all want tanks, heals and ranged DPS. The GF is getting invites to run all the time. Some of their raiders have gone to other guilds to help out and here I am sitting around with my thumb up my ass because I can't tank. Warriors aren't healers, we run up and beat things with pointy things.
I am currently in the process of gearing to tank. I'm TRYING to learn to play. I HATE warrior tanking and he's my main. I WISH I could class change him over to some ranged DPS but I don't know how to PLAY ranged DPS. I've learned all these fights as melee. I've worked my ass off on my talents and my rotations to get my numbers up where they need to be. Our guild was in AWE of a DPS warrior who was doing 50k. He had 400+ gear on. If I had that kind of gear, I could be pulling in those numbers, too. But if this guild isn't going to accept me and let me play, how am I supposed to get the gear? I am seriously, seriously tempted to gquit again and just take my happy ass to a guild who needs a melee DPS on their guild roster. I left the RP guild so I could get max geared and actually DO THINGS. And here I am sitting on my thumbs again.
I am endlessly frustrated with the guild and I've been afraid to play with them because of comments one of my guildmates left on the facebook page. He was bitching that his DS runs were NOT going to be happening anymore and that people would have to TRY OUT for his runs because the runs they had "last night" were bullshit. He has since left the guild and with him went all his toons. I'm just remarkably pissed that someone like him can run these things and I can't even get in on ONE run.
I've gotten nibbles on three other guilds I can go to and I'm really upset because I JUST got past friendly rep with the guild. I've been doing their achievements, I've been running with guildies, I've been working my ass off doing things and no one seems to give a flying rats ass about anything. I'm so tempted to quit it hurts. I've done nothing but bitch about it for three days. The GF says we put something up on the calendar for people who want to run it, but doing that will have a bunch of people sign up and then no one actually show and I'll be disappointed and pissed off and hurt all over again. I want to play. I'm tired of not being able to play. I might as well fucking go back to the RP guild and just call it a day. I get tired of people getting butthurt because someone doesn't ask them for gems. I'm tired of people saying "No, I'll wait for so and so to get on to cut them" when I'm willing to do it for them and that person isn't even online. (The same person who got butthurt because someone didn't ask them to cut their gems.) I'm tired of being passed over because I'm melee. I'm tired of being confused with my girlfriend. "Why don't you jump on -GF's Toon- and..." gets really fucking old. I am not her, I have never BEEN her and I can't play her toons. I'm ME. Maybe that's why she's getting asked so much is because they're lumping her achievements and my achievements together.
I think I need to go elsewhere and it pisses me off because I'm finally in a guild that I SHOULD be able to do things with and get passed over. Every time I think about it or talk about it I get pissed off. I'll give it more time because I never do anything without taking ample time to consider all sides, but I seriously just want to quit and go elsewhere. I think while I give it time, I will also start talking to other guilds about their raid teams and see if they have a place for me. Otherwise, what's the point in leaving one guild for another that will do the same thing?
And I'm done bitching. I think the name of this blog should be WoWBitch instead of WoWRants because I'm not so much as ranting as I am constantly complaining.
Tips to run a successful guild
I've been doing a lot of reading and several themes keep popping out at me. I thought I should share the themes and add my opinions to the pot. If I decide to start a guild, I will definitely be posting here how things are going as we move along.
I found a really good post on the forums by Killerina on how she runs her guild.
Wow-pro has a really good article about guilds I found insightful. They also have a guide for loot distributions in the guild I have been reading through.
Altered gamer went over the same things as Wow-pro, but had a blurb about doing raider audits that I found insightful.The link to the tool is broken, but I'm sure I can find it on Curse.
For Vent, the best options for me seem to be with Hypernia.
If I do run a guild that other people can join, this guild would have a guild page via Guild Launch where my previous guilds and my City of Heroes guild is hosted.
Our Guild is named Awful Waffles and we are just that awesome.
How not to run a guild
Nothing got better in the guild and, as a matter of fact, everything got worse. The new GM acts like an overgrown toddler, throwing her hands up in the air every time someone asks a simple question. She sucks at communication skills and I get sick to shit of dealing with her childishness. After the last fight broke out in the guild, I quit.
First of all, if someone is kicked from your guild, unless it is a personal matter, the guild should know about it. I, for one, don't want to piss someone off inadvertently and get kicked from the guild. I would actually like to stay in my guild. Second, when someone asks, there are certain ways of explaining things to people that don't involve everyone being butthurt and throwing their hands up at the whole thing. Be an adult and deal with people as adults. Have some good communication skills.
This has led me to search for another guild. While I'm back in my first guild again, I have some decisions to make. The ousted guy and his friend made a guild and offered me an officer position. I wouldn't mind being an officer or a founding member because then I have say in what happens. I could actually raid. I could go to another guild that some of our former guildmates have jumped to already. I've said I don't mind having a ten-man vent channel and paying for it so we can run dungeons and raids.
The GF and I could start our own guild.
This is both a plus and a minus for me. It's a lot of work running a guild and the GF and I are not online all the time. We work. We do this for leisure. We do this to have fun. People who have run guilds before have quit because of the hassles of running guilds. All the hassles of the guild would be on our shoulders. I don't know if that's something I'm up for.
Before I make decisions, I really need to decide what I want out of the guild. I need to talk to friends of ours and see if they want to join the guild. I would make them officers because, let's face it, I can trust my friends. People I know in real life, whose houses I can go to. I would trust those people to run the guild. I would trust them to handle arguments and make decisions.
I have no idea what I want to do. I'm leaning toward starting our own guild, but that's going to be a lot of work to get our levels up. It's going to take a lot of thought. In the meantime... I'm reading up on how to run a successful guild.